You know these days were everything just works out?

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[00:00:03] This is the becoming great podcast, a podcast where me and my good buddy Eric are learning about how to build a business and how to build ourselves so that we can become better leaders and role models and many other things. And I’m here, as I said, with Eric Vernment, the founder of Great. And I would say that except for being.

[00:00:31] What I think is a very strong leader, very smart, a business and a good friend of mine.

[00:00:38] I would say that Eric’s strongest side’s strongest suits are his lifestyle choices. And by that I mean he has chosen to live in a solid, sunny country, Malta, with a beautiful and very tired feel unsafe that is making a constant, never ending stream of bait balls that she lets meet whenever I visit. Eric in Malta. Well played, Eric. And good morning.

[00:01:06] Thank you. And for anyone is curious what date both is, it’s a little chocolate ball made with dates that Emily’s crazy about.

[00:01:13] Johanna makes every time he’s coming over to her. And it’s more for her than for him because she loves to bake. It’s how you train a dog, right? I mean. Yeah. Yeah. You get them to come over and just sit. Be quiet. Joe, who’s a good boy? A good boy.

[00:01:30] Yes. And I’m here with with Amy, who know who I am. We’ve been practicing this with how to introduce each other in a way that sound honest and fair and not preparing anything. So I’m just thinking about what’s the best way to describe it right now. And I think of it as one of the best humans that I’ve ever met. And I’ll share a teeny tiny little story about yesterday to give you some perspective. So I’m talking to Emily in the morning and he tells me, I think that my car has been stolen and I’m a little bit distracted by that. And yet his car was, in fact, stolen. So he ends up chasing it all day. He managed to figure out who actually stole it because he rented it out through some service. And by the end of the day, he managed to get the car back. And this 26 year old guy had stolen it. And so what does it mean? What does the best person in the world do in a situation like this? Well, my guess is that the best person would talk to the guy who stole it, tried to understand him, tried to see what happened, see if we can help him somehow and buy him dinner. What did Emily do? Just that. And to me, that says so much about him as a person. And I was just I couldn’t stop smiling when he told me. And yeah, that’s why I love doing these kind of podcast and just being around around him. He’s crazy and the best kind of way.

[00:03:04] Thank you. And. I think there was, for me at least a nice slice life lesson there yesterday because the guy.

[00:03:15] I managed to get a hold of his dad and the guy had a lot of anxiety because he had he had obviously done something wrong. So he didn’t dare to come back with a car because of Olding. Siiri and I talked with his dad on the phone and he seemed like Khalifah harsh person. So I realized probably no one when he had made a mistake I’ve ever been kind to him and tried to understand him. So I, um.

[00:03:47] I sat down and we talked for a long time and he had a lot of different problems. And I just listened to him and ask him many questions. And we had some dinner.

[00:03:55] And afterwards he said something about least hit me.

[00:04:01] He said that none of my friends are have ever been as nice as you have been to me. And to think, I guess it could have been anger and it could have been trying to maximize the amount of pay that he would have had to pay me for being where he was two days late with a car. But at the same time, like I think it would be a bigger gift to give to show that someone can actually treat you nice even though you have made a mistake like that.

[00:04:35] And I think it’s beautiful. And I think you’re totally right. Your impact of the world doing something like that is probably huge.

[00:04:45] You’re changing his perspective on what it means to make a mistake. I would say yes.

[00:04:50] What I believe and I will still make him pay the extra rent for having the car too long, because I think it’s also important that he learns from the mistake. And I show him that I am disappointed that you took my car for two extra days. So he have to stay in the responsibility for that. But at the same time, do it in a loving way where I show that I care about him.

[00:05:14] Yeah. Yeah. He still he doesn’t.

[00:05:18] He still has to deal with the consequences as a thing. Well, he did something and you can’t really get out of it too easily.

[00:05:25] Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So it’s a balancing act. I guess this is what being a parent is going to be like.

[00:05:32] One day you get to start practicing with a 20 something year old. Yes. OK, you start car thieves, then babies. I think it’s I think car thieves are e- easy for them. These little is it.

[00:05:47] All right. There was a bit of a sidetrack because today we want to talk about. Well, I want to share the one of the most influential books to me that I have ever read in my entire life. This book has made a huge impact on the way that I see the world. And in this book, it’s actually one of my true heroes. And the name of this book is Donald Buck and his friends. I think Donald Duck is a great role model. But my favorite character in this book in Swedish is called Alexander Lucas in English, apparently. He’s called Gladstone Gander. And for those of you who are not Donald Duck enthusiasts like I am. He’s this guy. His whole thing is that he’s lucky. Right. If he needs money, he has reaches out his hand and some Boller bill lands in it. Great. Like phoniest expects to go that way. I think he has a great outlook on life. And normally I think when running a business, life can be a little bit like being Donald Duck. Whatever you do shift your stuff just goes goes into the poop, thinks that’s everything that can go wrong goes wrong somehow. You have sorted to get pissed off and get manytimes. You won’t get the girl. But sometimes life is like being Gladstone. Gander thinks just goes your way. Eric, could you explain what I mean by this?

[00:07:20] I think that you’re touching upon the last four or five, six weeks of the story of great where more things have happened than probably combined in many ways, where we would just be lucky. Things have just fallen our way. Things that we thought were going to be really, really hard, like sorting out finances just turned out to be hate. This is easy. We can do this and this and this way. And mainly hiring the CBO rule that I was devastated about. I don’t know, two months about ago. And we have no solution.

[00:07:51] Yes, he did. Quick background story to what? What’s the problem?

[00:07:54] Yes, we were supposed to hire this. Nice catch. We’re supposed to hire this. This leader role who would start building the product. Great. And for, I don’t know, eight months I had the perfect candidate in mind and he backed out and was like, no. And then, you know, like in Aladin, you kind of rub the little lamp and then the genie comes out like like that just from nowhere. Joe, up came this new guy who we just hired popped out into the world and it just happened. I was expecting to shea someone for eight months and then boom, he was a perfect candidate. So now we we’re actually hired.

[00:08:31] I would say, though, that it’s a little bit over humble. I’m not sure if that the right word to say that there was some magic lamp because you actually found us to this podcast. Right. Or. You’re sharing on social media.

[00:08:46] Yeah. He found us through his girlfriend. Found us through my crazy adventures zones on Facebook, me starting a Facebook group without having any idea what to do with it. In like January and his girlfriend is a friend of mine and she felt, hey, he should be in this group. And then he started to be super engaged in the group and we started talking that way. So it kind of came from nowhere. I had no plan with starting that group, had nothing to do with my ambition and finding someone to fill this role. So in a sense, it came from rubbing a. But I just rubbed a lot of lumps without really knowing why.

[00:09:25] Yeah.

[00:09:27] And to be clear, this is this could have been a huge hassle, right? If you want, I would have liked life left, like if you would have been Donald Duck in the situation.

[00:09:41] I would have been done all that. Yes, I felt like Donald Duck in the first steps, like I prepare this, I’ve done my homework, I’ve really found a great guy. And and then someone else sneaks off with him in the last minute or let’s say it’s the girl in the it’s it’s not the case. So whatever her name is, the girl that Donald Duck is always in love with, she just sneaks off by the end of it like we’re gladstein Gladstone. And I was expecting. If if we would have filled this role before the end of the year, I would have been very happy. That was kind of my main intention with with this year even to find the perfect candidate for this role, because I think it’s so essential. So I was going to spend most of my time the rest of this year. I was expecting to either directly or indirectly do things to to find this person. And now suddenly we got him, we found him. And we’ve done a very thorough, oh, recruitment process. And he started two days ago. So that’s I’m super happy with like six, seven months ahead of schedule with that. And that never happens.

[00:10:50] That’s six months of work that you can put on something else. That’s huge. We’re building a company and we are going to make so much Donald Duck magazines now.

[00:11:01] And.

[00:11:05] This recruitment process of Joakim. It was very interesting because we took a completely different kind of approach, but I think few companies are doing and I think Joakim himself was shocked and I felt very connected to this organization right when he said, if I’m not getting this job, I’m going to miss you guys. Our recruitment process was so different. And I think there’s a lot of things to learn from it. And if you are interested in that, I think two episodes from now we’re going to do a whole episode about this very special kind of recruitment process where Joe Occam is going to be in the podcast, most likely.

[00:11:47] Hello. How are you sending cliffhangers about the future? You need to commit to that. We’ve never committed to what we’re going to do in the future. Yeah. And I can also say that this is the best episode about recruitment that you’ve ever heard.

[00:12:00] Anyone report ever. No promises. No, no, no. I’m not overselling it. I promise. And after that, we’re having an episode about overselling. We have mastered it, mastered that skill.

[00:12:13] But now, with six months to spare after the meeting, some Donald Duck magazines, obviously. Then Joe came and I guess you to some extent. I’m gonna have more time to build a product because we already got started a little bit now because of our lucky progress. Because, Joe, you can build it now. Where are we with the product?

[00:12:38] Ok. So I’ll give a teeny tiny insight to the best recruitment episode ever that comes two weeks from now. That one of the things that that we did that was different was that we did a quite large work test, which you don’t usually do. So for three weeks, he was working for us to build a demo of the product. And that was before he got hired. He didn’t even get paid for it. He just believed in our cause and was willing to do it that way. And we called it the MVP, which stands for minimum viable product, which is basically the smallest thing you can do to test if something works, if you’re building a business. And he built this together with well, he built the roadmap, the blueprint, the plan for this. And together with two people from the team. And this was something I was hoping we would have done by the end of the year also. And now we will have it done by July. So they’re actually starting now to build apps, the first version of our commercial product. And hopefully we’ll start generating some kind of revenues with this already in in July. So that’s a that’s a very big step happening. Mm hmm. And once again, I wouldn’t be happy if that was by the end of this year.

[00:13:55] Yeah, that’s a huge, huge headstart. Six extra months. Yeah, for sure.

[00:14:03] So I’m really happy with that and I’m really happy with. Once I thought that I was going to need to play a very important role in building that because I didn’t think that we would have someone in meaning that I would have far less time to read Donald Duck magazines or other important stuff. And then and now it’s just it’s just happening. And it’s I just love the feeling of things is happening. And I can just go to meetings like, wow, you’ve done so many things since last time. Well, we’ve done such a good job with it as well. And just seeing how I mentioned this and I don’t know, bunch of episodes ago, but when it feels like there is an organism that great is now something, it’s a life on its own. In the beginning. I was the only life of great. If I didn’t do things, nothing happened. But we’ve now reached a point where if I step away and maybe portal water on every now and then, it will still grow into this amazing organism that Britain brings to life. And this is another stepping stone. In that way, I feel that things are happening automatically. And that’s such a cool feeling.

[00:15:13] Mm hmm. So.

[00:15:19] Sorry for coffee. I got feedback on that from a woman.

[00:15:22] No coffee. OK.

[00:15:25] So I love honey at least. Is it so? You got the attention? Yeah. And then when people are waiting for you to say something smart. Did I got.

[00:15:35] Yeah. So I’m not sort of recovering. That was part of my joke.

[00:15:40] It was a beautiful cough. Now you’ve been frustrated for a couple of months now. In a sense that we haven’t started to build any kind of product. So there has been talking about, great, but we don’t have anything out there. And we’ve been talking about having four legs to this organization and now we’ve started to build one product. Do you feel satisfied that we at least started one or do you still feel frustrated and eager that we haven’t started a charity product or other products?

[00:16:12] Good feeling. Question Let me feel that for the.

[00:16:19] I don’t feel frustrated. I feel very happy with where we where we are right now and I like looking at this as a dream. Yeah. 50 years from now, this is gonna be so big and so amazing and do so much difference. And then I’m totally fine with the charity product not being built. Hopefully we’ll start sometime next year. I don’t see it starting before then. Mm hmm. And I’m fine with that. And an important part. There is going to be similar to this. So let’s say we needed we needed someone to come in to take charge of building the commercial products. And that’s that’s a leader person. And it’s kind of an entrepreneurial person that will take a lot of ownership of everything happening there.

[00:17:05] And the commercial product for you that might be new to this is a casino affiliation product. So like a hotel dot com for charity casino.

[00:17:16] Exactly. Yeah. Yeah, that’s the short version. We need to get better knowing which episode is what. So we can kind of say, listen to this episode if you want to know more. Yes. Listen to all the episodes and one of them will tell you so. And if you find it you’ll get a gold star. Tweak it regardless. The way I see it is that we needed one person to be in charge of building the commercial product, and we’re gonna need one person to be in charge of building the charity product. That’s the way I see it right now. It might not end up that way. So it will be a similar situation here that once we find the perfect person to build it then and he or she get started, that will be a good time to do it right. And hopefully we will. If I’m just saying something off the top of my head and not making any commitments, I see this starting a year from now and that’s when we’ll start doing something really good with it. But before then, we’ll focus on actually creating a first good commercial product in this that can actually be the engine of fueling everything else. And just focusing on creating one good thing at the time rather than trying to start two big projects simultaneously.

[00:18:27] Right. Cause this will almost be two different companies, but they help each other.

[00:18:32] Yeah. And they make each other better. They might have two completely unique organizations below them that are in charge of building each thing. Right. I don’t know. We’ll see how it turns out.

[00:18:42] Right. So during this last month, since the last update, have your per section or your ideas about how to build great changed somehow. Is there something you want to do now that you didn’t want to do before and vice versa?

[00:18:59] Yeah. At least the plan has changed in many ways. So I don’t think that I’ve ever been confident exactly how to do anything. At the same time, I always feel confident about something. So like the way this is looked in my head before was that I was certain that we’re gonna have the four pillars of Great, which is the episode of the podcast, Four Pillars of Great, I think number five. I don’t know, six, seven, eight. Listen to all episodes. This is all. And I’ve started challenging that. That. Okay. We might not be the best. We are doing four pillars or four legs in this business because whatever we do, it will if we do one, that will obviously be a lot better than if we’re trying to force things equally good. So at the moment, I’m at a stage where I like to have this discussion with with our team and we’ll to talk a lot about this in Stockholm when we’re meeting up at the end of the summer, I think. But taking the strategic decision, what do we want to focus on? So the commercial thing we have to focus on, because if you don’t do that, then we will not be able to do anything else. But then what are the other different things? We want to build a charity product. Do we want to build a life school kind of product that we’ve been talking about? And do we want to build one thing that helps organizations to grow, which are three things that I believe are all very cool and very important that comes with with the cost of Easdale time?

[00:20:26] Yeah, we both read a book that we thought was very useful this month. No, it’s not enough. And Donald Duck trickery thing. This is a real book that we read that is called 22 Immutable Laws of Marketing. And I think we at least I picked up three or four key concepts that will be very important in how we take decisions in building this company.

[00:20:54] And it just happens to be that the next episode we do, if this podcast is going to be all about marketing and what we have learned from that book and our own experiences and how we will use that in real life building a company. So the first key concept is that one of the four, if not the biggest one. One of the four is that if you tried to.

[00:21:18] Do too many things that will undermine everything that you do. So it’s a strong thing to be specialized in a way. And right now, great is very broad. And the three or four other key concepts, they will be revealed in the next. Next week’s episode.

[00:21:36] You’re killing in a cliffhanger tonight. I feel like we should just. But if you call now, you will hear three extra episodes for free.

[00:21:51] Your name? Yeah. And that book has been a big part of me questioning these these strategic decisions. That is like, OK, I might be completely wrong here and totally underestimating the challenges that that will come with. And yeah, I I very easily fall in love with ideas and that means that I kind of have to break up with some of them every now and then. So I can’t be too polyamorous in my ideas. I can’t have too many idea relationships. Yeah, but it’s there’s the there’s there’s a lot of things going on with with great and more things happening that I had anticipated to happen quicker.

[00:22:33] Mm hmm. And something excited for for our staff as well that you mentioned. Now it’s that we’re planning for everyone to come together and meet each other for the first time, which is a really fun thing in a remote organization. I have never met Derek and I never met. Joakim. So dark is coming from Florida. So how important do you think it is to welcome the best board? Question It’s dancers. It’s important. What are what are the pros and cons of meeting in shelter in real life when building a remote organization?

[00:23:09] I don’t know if it’s important.

[00:23:10] So it’s it’s actually answer the questions you didn’t ask because you felt something. It was about a question. Yeah, I’m not sure if it is important to me personally. I think it can have benefits and that I’m not sure if it’s actually worth it. So everyone who talks about running a remote organization says it’s very important that you meet in person every now and then. To me, that’s just theory. I haven’t tried that. I haven’t tried the other things. So to me, it makes sense that it adds value. At the same time, I’ve held that we’ve cooperated very well in this team without meeting. I’m very happy with the recruitment of Jokin so far and I haven’t met him so personally. I think that it might be not as necessary or not as important. At the same time, I enjoy it and I want to try it and I want to see afterwards how much value I get from it. So it might not be important.

[00:24:03] And do you want to know the solution, what you’re pursuing 32 of?

[00:24:10] Yeah. Or call number 9 9 5 2 2 2 5 5. And by her own time machine. Exactly. Yeah, that’s gonna be exciting. We got it. So we set a date for that and start planning for that original plan was to go to Uganda and actually see some of the things that we’re doing. And then me personally felt super overwhelmed about planning that and getting some family out of that, like, hey, what’s the easiest thing we can do and still hang out? Let’s go to Stockholm. That’s where we will be. Yeah, I think now everyone didn’t see this, but email actually mute. Mike before he coughed. So he is picking up. So thank you listeners for the feedback.

[00:24:52] It’s all love for you guys. Now I feel I’m curious because I think maybe the last month left it. We’ve talked about that you had tried social media for the whole year going bonkers, some on us just trying everything. And you couldn’t find some way, but you’d like to do it. And now I know you’re very active again. So what I’ve changed in the way you do social media that allows you to actually enjoy the process.

[00:25:23] Yes. So to start with, I felt that I want to be active in social media because I want. I believe that it’s something that benefits great. And it benefits both. We want to achieve in various ways. And there could be one place for sleep.

[00:25:37] So how is it benefiting group? Great. The main things. What is the main cause? I’m thinking if you’re an 8 year old and you run your own company and you should have bothered because social media takes a lot of time. Right. How could it benefit their company?

[00:25:54] Because I think the main thing about this is trust and building and organization is basically all about trust building. Any relationship is all about trust. And if a company is just a company with a logo, then it’s very hard to trust a logo. There is no face on it. But if a company has a face, someone you know, someone you can hold accountable, someone who says, I’m doing this, not someone else, then I believe that it’s much, much easier to have a relationship with his company and to trust whatever they’re doing. And my intention is to be the face of this, because especially in the gambling industry, there are no faces on anything. No one wants to put their face on that. So I really want to do this because I think it’s it adds value. And the more my face is done where you can actually connect to it, talk to it on social media, see my thoughts, hear me talk about anything from business to relationships to sadness, anger, grief and other feelings. Personally, I believe that that helps to trust me. And simultaneously then trust. Great.

[00:27:03] So it’s easier to trust a person that is real trusting, something abstract as a company.

[00:27:11] Yeah, that’s that’s my my thought at least. I’m not sure that’s true, but I’m I’m guessing that’s true. I have much easier time.

[00:27:18] So again, I imagine being a team and listening to this and you said the most important thing when building a company is trust.

[00:27:27] I’m not sure I understand exactly what you mean by that. And if that even is true, what about timing good prices for a good product or having customers or whatever?

[00:27:40] So let’s take a good product then. Then a good product is basically trust. If you see a pair of headphones from a brand you’ve never heard of. You’re probably going to assume that they are bad. But if you trust in the company, you trust that they do good things. Then you will trust the product and believe it is a good product. And at the end of the day, in business, it’s actually more about what you believe about the product than what’s actually true. So if you have two pairs of headphones, one of them is super good. One of them is super crappy. But you think that the super crappy ones are better. You’re going to buy the super crappy ones and you never even got to know that the other ones were really good because you’re never gonna buy them. But with trust and knowing this product or knowing who is behind this company, then it’s much more likely that you will trust it and buy it. Same thing goes for recruitment or for that matter, with prices. If if you see something that has a low price but there is no trust, your remote is going to think it’s a crappy product because why would it be cheap if it wasn’t bad? Mm hmm. And the same thing also. I believe that it applies in pretty much every area of our business and in life that there is some sort of a trust that goes on between them. And if you can build that, everything else gets easier.

[00:29:07] Did that make sense?

[00:29:08] Yeah, I mean, it made sense.

[00:29:11] So the ways you how are you building trust on social media? And is that is that the way to do it? To be seen often to people? So there’s a recognition. And because of the recognition, there is trust stories of the quality of what you’re saying, what is causing you to gain trust on social media.

[00:29:32] Okay. So let’s get back to your original question. What is different? What I didn’t do before and why am I doing this? I basically just answer the question you did and ask why are you doing this? So what I started doing this year was that I believed in this trust idea and I wanted to find a way of building that. I didn’t know how. So I tried social media in every way I can come up with. I tried to be on Twitter. I tried to do lots of things and LinkedIn. I tried to start Facebook groups. I started doing things on Instagram. Had nothing to do. They know about I for the first time looked into Snapchat, which I still don’t understand. And I tried all of these things. And my aim was to find something I enjoy because I believe that the key things to building that trust is continuity. If I do this over time, then people get a chance to get to know me and see what I care about and build trust towards me.

[00:30:24] And if I don’t enjoy it, I will fail. I will not continue doing this.

[00:30:29] And the sad thing about this, that I didn’t find anything that actually enjoyed enough to keep doing. I did a lot of things for a week, maybe two. And I was like, this is not me. But what changed was just a couple of weeks ago when I felt like, okay, I could actually write pretty long descriptions on Instagram, focus on things that I really care about, and I can prepare them in advance and then post them. And I feel that I’m giving a lot of value doing this, and I’m also getting a lot of value through asking questions. And for the first time, I felt like, hey, this is a way that I enjoy using social media. And it made sense. And then we started playing around with a camera and actually took a lot of really good pictures. So it was fun to post it together with good pictures. And for the first time, I found that I felt a balance between adding value, giving value and enjoying the process.

[00:31:23] And that took me then five months to figure something out that I would play. And now I’ve been doing this quite frequently for for a couple of weeks at least.

[00:31:34] And it’s worth mentioning that I used to hate Instagram. I think that Instagram is an evil machine in many ways that just creates unhappiness. But that’s a whole other episode. Let’s say episode 79. I don’t know. We’ll talk about that someday. The evilness of social media, but also the intelligence of it. So this is what’s shifted. That I actually found a way of doing this that I enjoy doing and sharing things that actually matter to me in a in a way that doesn’t take up my full day. So that’s the main thing. That Chip that I found a way of doing is that I enjoy and that I believe I will keep doing similar to podcasting. Now that it’s actually we’ve found a process of doing this where we where we enjoy it and we do it continuously.

[00:32:15] And what you did is you’re binge create these posts so you don’t have to sit down and write something every single day, but you can still have continuity and activity in your head.

[00:32:27] So basically what I’ve done is that I’ve written 25 posts or something of things that matter to me and plan for them to be able to publish at least once a week. So something happens and I’ve prepared to take a lot of different photos that make sense to them. And then I publish other things in between when something comes up and that actually is relevant for the day. And those has been the key elements for me has been to be able to plan it and not feeling forced that, oh, I haven’t posted anything in a while. Now I need to come up with something that is that putting everything, preparing everything when I’m in a flow state of mind where things are just happening for me and it feels easy.

[00:33:09] Yeah.

[00:33:09] You’ve been experimenting quite a bit with social media as well. What? What changed for you?

[00:33:13] Yeah. I went from Should You Inspire Me? Because I was visiting Eric in Malta for two weeks. And during that time we we took a lot of pictures and I haven’t seen dude myself as I viewed myself as someone that looks much worse in pictures than what I think I look like in the mirror. So I haven’t like taking pictures because I never think I’m a good in them. So we had a strategy similar to the strategy of a virus, because how a virus system makes billions of billions of just completely random coffer copies of itself. And then in hopes that something sticks and becomes a real awesome disease. And we did the same thing with photos. We took billions and billions of photos of each other. And lo and behold, a couple of them actually looked right. One of them, I have us my Facebook profile picture now and I really like that picture of me. So then I got excited and I made the first post on my social media in six months, I think. Yeah. I don’t think I had posted anything in six months and I kind of enjoy it, enjoyed it. So now I’m getting into the habit of just posting pictures of me and I want to ease in to finding a way with social media that that works for me.

[00:34:36] So what do you want to accomplish with social media? Why do you want it to work for you since you want to do it for great. You want to do it for something else?

[00:34:44] Well, I want to. First, I want to be able to.

[00:34:56] I want to do some kind of influencing, of course, if I read a book that I really do not like or if I do something that I find useful for me. I want an opportunity to be able to share that. But most important, I think it’s about building a sea in the future that it would be important for me to build my own brand similar to what you are doing with great. But yes, the brand of my name and to get there. This is the first kind of basic step to get there.

[00:35:30] Ok. You you see the future. This will be important. You’re not quite sure how and why it will be important.

[00:35:37] Yes. So in the future, somewhere after a long run, a marathon, I have a brand name. Right. And this is kind of like the warm up before the race car.

[00:35:46] So this is kind of like learning, learning school, learning math in school. But at least all the teachers believe is like, hey, you need to learn math because it’s going to be important and you want to buy into the idea that it’s gonna be important. You’re not really. But in theory, you buy into the idea that you’re gonna to have use for it somewhere down the line. So now you’re studying math.

[00:36:06] Mm hmm.

[00:36:09] Kind of kind of, yeah.

[00:36:12] But you’re at least more convicted that you will use it than you really want.

[00:36:15] The biggest change, though, I’ve seen in this month is that this is the first time I have ever enjoyed taking pictures. And it’s one of the first time I actually really enjoyed posting things because I like I like the pictures.

[00:36:29] That outpost is that that’s the key thing. And. You’re actually proud of what you put out there instead.

[00:36:35] And I’ve got to borrow this. If you’re watching this video, this beautiful camera from a good friend I have. Thanks, Eric. So I brought that to a coffee with some friends that day and took some photos of them. I enjoyed that, too.

[00:36:51] I think this is this is interesting. I had a coffee with a with an old friend yesterday, and he said that he wanted to start posting things on on social media. And at the same time, he felt it was a it was something holding him back. He was too big of a barrier to cross to do that. And it feels like you’ve been going through a similar thing just recently. So what kind of tips would you give to to him or someone else that he has? I want to start doing this, but I’m not sure how I will get going.

[00:37:25] To me, the thing that worked was the virus strategy.

[00:37:29] Right. So get a body and get a good camera and take a lot of pictures. And I think at least for me, when I found a couple of pictures on me that looked really good, then I looked a lot better than any other previous picture of me. That made I felt good. So just do the smallest possible thing to get some kind of win.

[00:37:53] I like that idea. Yes, it basically go out, take tons and tons of pictures, look through them and found the ones you actually enjoy instead of trying to capture one moment. The first thing you do and you’re just not gonna make it. And then maybe you’ve had five, 10 to 50 pictures that you enjoy and suddenly becomes easier to get going with it. And it becomes a bench kind of strategy as well that I mentioned that preparing lots of polls. But in this case, kind of preparing the pitch.

[00:38:21] Exactly. And we’re running towards 40 minutes. And I think we are gonna do a whole episode about social media for sure. And again, quite soon. So is there something else you want to touch upon during this update? Before I ask you kind of what mistakes were made? Is is something more you want to touch on?

[00:38:48] I think that we’ve covered a lot of the things I wasn’t planning forum with Skip, the few that I was planning for the cliff hanger. They will be in another episode.

[00:38:55] Listen to everyone, everything all the time, starting to feel that we’re overdoing this a little bit.

[00:39:02] But yeah, that’s young, too. Mistakes that we’ve done this month and.

[00:39:09] Yeah. Have you done the mistakes?

[00:39:13] Yeah. And that is. I’ve been haven’t been so as selective as I would like to be with kind of the people that I interact with. So I felt like this month I had been giving too much of my time away in too many people that I know.

[00:39:39] Not bad well, but I had sort of a loose connection, too. So I ended up having a lot of different phone calls, talking to people, having a lot of coffees, having a lot of.

[00:39:54] I had a lot of kind of random dates as well where I didn’t check them too much before I borrowed my car out to someone that didn’t do much of a pre-check on.

[00:40:08] And that turned out as it did. So it’s been almost like a shotgun strategy for me. I’ve been doing a lot of different things. And I kind of it’s a lot of stress that this month I felt like I’ve had I’ve been very busy. But not that effective. So moving on into the next month, I would like to say I know a lot more and be more selective when my time kind of using a sniper rifle and do less things. But the most important things because.

[00:40:35] Yeah, I’ll be feeling a little bit overwhelmed because I’m not saying no to similar to what we spoke about in the previous one just before. There’s minimalism. Yeah. Saying no to more things. Yeah. Yeah, I can see that.

[00:40:52] Have you made any mistakes.

[00:40:55] I mean, I feel like I’ve been this Gladstone Gander guy, even if I made a mistake.

[00:41:02] The gods of the universe, he’s kissed me as if I turned out well. No, I’ve been flawless. Yeah.

[00:41:13] I’m gonna settle for that. I probably done mistakes, but I’ve just been in such good flow that whatever I’m happening, it’s just. Yeah. To tell one one living a teeny, teeny tiny mistake that I did is that I walked home from my Thai boxing practice the other day and I always take a right at a certain place and through a shortcut. And this time I was so up in my head and I was confused and I wasn’t confused. I was just distracted. And I missed the shortcut and I went forward. And after Weller is hit, I’m never here. And oh, I missed a shortcut. Well, shit happens. Then I took a ride. Then I went around. And when I came to where the shortcut usually came out, there was a big truck blocking it.

[00:41:58] So if I would have taken the shortcut, I would have had to turn back and go back. So I did a mistake. I missed my sure-fire, but the world just loved me. So it’s it’s been I think that explains my month pretty well, the mistakes I do. God has just forgiven them. That is the Gladstone life for sure.

[00:42:19] Yeah. So I’m gonna keep I’m going to keep this for the rest of my life and I’m just gonna be incredibly lucky.

[00:42:24] He would just assume this will last forever. This is it. This is just your life now. So I guess we see you in the update.

[00:42:34] August 2019, the luckiest month of the year episode. Yeah, hopefully we’ll start with July. That comes after June. That’s right. It doesn’t matter. Thanks. All right.

[00:42:45] See, that’s another mistake. The gun will just forgive and give you the luckiest month in the world. Thank you.

[00:42:50] Exactly. All right. Nice talking with you, Will. Nice talking to you. Have a great day. Oh, yeah. And if you have any feedback for us about this podcast.

[00:43:03] Any ideas, anything you would like to hear us talk more about? Anything you liked, anything that you hate. And maybe especially feedback on our introductions, because we’ve tried something different, like Eric mentioned.

[00:43:14] We’ve tried to just say nice things about each other from the heart and be less playful but more real. So I’m very curious if you feel like that felt weird and off or did you liked what you were going for? Please send us an email and.

[00:43:35] Oh, yeah. Yes. What I mentioned as well. But where do they send the e-mail? Podcast at great cost. Nice catch. Nice. And I want to mention as well that this woman wrote to me and said that she loved our podcast.

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